【新闻】沃德有资格进入拳击名人堂么?

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2023-10-19 15:56:36 显示全部楼层 阅读模式
这篇文章太长,且繁琐,水平原因,只能说个大概。

首选是沃德宣布退役引发这篇论述;沃德几乎征服了两个量级,职业生涯没有败绩。但是,还有一场战役在等着他,就是进入拳击名人堂。

国际拳击名人堂规则规定;拳手在最后一场比赛的五年后才有资格谈入选,每年的入选名额仅限三个。梅威瑟和小克里琴科都会在2022年参选,沃德貌似有资格,但别忘了,小罗伊琼斯已经宣布不会再打比赛。

也就是说;琼斯的参选会否将小克或沃德置于危险境地?

以下是拳击历史学家格罗夫斯和作者的一些评论;首先是认为名人堂的入选条件过于宽松。梅威瑟-小克-琼斯,都有挑选和躲避某些对手等等。

梅威瑟和小克里琴科都是近十年最富有和伟大的拳击手之一,梅威瑟面对媒体的争吵和极端负面的公众形象也会妨碍,但应该不会影响他进入名人堂。小克的重量级霸主地位是得票的关键。琼斯虽然近些年的表现很让人难堪,但他的职业初期战绩不容置疑。

剩下的,最岌岌可危的就是沃德了,作者描述了拳迷对沃德的疯狂指责,犯有破坏拳击运动等罪责,推广人古森死后,拳击手段,等等。

Mayweather, Klitschko, Ward, Jones Create 2022 HOF Debate d1.jpg

By Corey Erdman

Andre Ward announced his retirement from the sport of boxing last week, walking away from a profession he was the very best in the world at.

In a sport in which retirements often come too late, and at the expense of the fighters' livelihoods, Ward's decision to walk away on top, with money and his faculties, is both rare and refreshing.

"As I walk away from the sport of boxing today, I leave at the top of your glorious mountain, which was always my vision and my dream. I did it. We did it," said Ward in a statement on his official website. " I want to be clear – I am leaving because my body can no longer put up with the rigors of the sport and therefore my desire to fight is no longer there. If I cannot give my family, my team, and the fans everything that I have, then I should no longer be fighting."

The last time Ward lost a boxing match was as a 12-year old amateur. After that, he went on to win an Olympic gold medal—still the last American male to do so, and then became a generational great as a professional. Ward's resume truly leaves no room for criticism. He willingly entered the Super Six tournament, constructed to force the best super middleweights in the world to face one another, and won it while seldom dropping a round. Then following a layoff due to contractual disputes, he returned as a light heavyweight, where the record will show he beat, and later stopped the consensus best light heavyweight at the time, Sergey Kovalev.

Though he officially conquered two weight classes, Ward will still have one more fight on his hands—the fight to be a first ballot Hall of Famer in 2022.

There's no question that Ward is a Hall of Famer, and a first ballot one at that, at least in the way the term has come to be understood. If there were “tiers” of Hall of Famers, Ward would be in the top one. The problem is that the men joining him on the ballot that year are among the best to ever lace up the gloves in their respective generations and weight classes.

International Boxing Hall of Fame rules dictate that a fighter becomes eligible for induction five years after his final fight. This means that assuming their retirements remain in tact, both Floyd Mayweather and Wladimir Klitschko would be on the ballot in 2022. Mayweather is the greatest fighter of his generation, the richest fighter ever and the face of the sport for the final decade of his career. Klitschko is also one of the richest fighters ever, one of the biggest and most consistent best gate attractions ever, and more importantly, a phenomenally successful and dominant heavyweight champion.

Each year, three fighters in the modern category are inducted, so there would be room for Mayweather, Klitschko and Ward to get in.

But what if we have seen Roy Jones Jr. in the ring for the last time as well?

Jones last fought in February of 2017, stopping journeyman Bobby Gunn. In the past, Jones has always suggested either that he has something left to give, another title to win, or simply that his health and safety should only be of concern to him. Recently however, he has started to sound more serious than ever about the possibility of never fighting again.

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Jones' inclusion on the ballot would make for one of the toughest decisions Hall of Fame voters will ever have to make. Which all-time great will get snubbed? Does it put Ward or Klitschko at risk?

“I think this is what the Hall of Fame intended to have happen, because there was criticism that the standards were too loose. They want to make it a very exclusive domain,” said boxing historian Lee Groves. “Now you have to sort of split hairs like you wouldn't believe. If you're forced to pick between five viable all-time great guys, you're then forced as a voter to differentiate. We know they're great, but what were their flaws, and do they have less flaws than the other guys?”

There is no shortage of critics of all four of the fighters. Some still believe that Mayweather, Klitschko and Jones hand-picked opponents and ducked certain fighters in their careers. They will argue that all three were a product of weak eras to varying degrees

“Some younger voters that didn't see Roy in their prime and do not bother to do their research, they might snub Roy, because all they've seen is the past-prime, because that past-prime has been so long,” said Groves.

In Ward's case, a vocal segment of the boxing press and fan base has been unusually critical of him. If you dare wade your way through the truly deep depths of boxing Twitter, you'll find insane accusations that Ward is guilty of everything from destroying the sport to actual culpability in his late promoter Dan Goossen's death.

One would hope that those types of people won't be mailed Hall of Fame ballots in five years, but there will certainly be some who do received them who have not felt like they have had kind dealings with Ward as a media member. To whatever degree that's true, will those people be able to set their feelings aside and vote without bias, in a way they may not have been able to while covering him when he was an active fighter?

Mayweather would seem to be a sure lock, but his own contentious relationship with the press and extremely negative public image could hamper him as well. Most likely though, his accomplishments and stature are too overwhelming for voters to ignore in the name of protest.

Any combination of Ward, Jones or Klitschko is at least defensible to join Mayweather in 2022, but how the voters arrive to that conclusion will be what's fascinating.

Through absolutely no fault of his own, Andre Ward may actually not win at something for once.

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2023-10-19 15:57:52 显示全部楼层
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沃德进不进无所谓,小克没进的话,这名人堂可以叫垃圾堂,小克比这几个应该是绝对优势,他是真正统治一个时代,尽管打得丑陋,但确实货真价实的拳王,和猴子这种伪拳王完全是两码事。
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不知道,这里的一些指责,我根本就看不明白,可能内部人士都懂吧!
但这些指责里面,应该是包含最后两场比赛 d1.gif
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2023-10-19 15:58:30 显示全部楼层
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绝对能进!
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2023-10-19 15:59:29 显示全部楼层
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如果还在考虑这四个人是否能进名人堂的,说明是不合格的拳迷,因为他们铁定进。

原文的意思是:这四人如果以后不再打比赛了,那么他们都将在2022面临名人堂候选,但以往的规则是每年候选3人,那么谁会在第一年落选(当然下一年会入选)?

作者实际引出了一个讨论,也就是这四个人之间的排名先后。
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2023-10-19 15:59:49 显示全部楼层
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没看明白,我也在想,某人是否可以往后拖一年。
好吧;谁会在第一年落选? d1.gif
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2023-10-19 16:00:20 显示全部楼层
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例如;第二年,第三年,没人参选了,沃德就能进了。
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2023-10-19 16:01:16 显示全部楼层
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四人排名,国外拳迷的看法:
梅威瑟毫无争议,排第一,第一年必进。理由是。。。太多了。
其他3人怎么排存在争议,都有被排最后的情况
大体排名是琼斯第二
小克和沃德是排第四的主要候选
认为小克排第四的最多,理由是战胜的对手质量最低
个别认为琼斯排第四的,理由是琼斯后期输的太难看,影响印象。

有拳迷还认为,如果加入马奎兹,马奎兹将排在小克、沃德前面。当然,如果帕奎奥加入,帕将仅次于梅。

https://www.boxingscene.com/foru ... t=760425&page=7
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2023-10-19 16:01:32 显示全部楼层
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不够格,哪年也入选不了。

这四人,我认为沃德第一年会落选,不是因为战绩,而是因为影响力,沃德比那3人差很多。
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