VADA回击洛菲勒关于药检的推特+VADA/CBP药检简介

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2023-10-22 07:19:50 显示全部楼层 阅读模式
为了帮助水货鸡密理解,编辑一次,弄得详细一点,这都看不懂就没法交流了 d1.gif

要是觉得英文材料太多,可以直接拉下去看结论

材料1:boxinginsider编辑Jake Donovan在11月20日发的新闻节选:

Tom Loeffler’s tweets regarding Golovkin/Alvarez testing are not correct,” Goodman told BoxingInsider.com via email in response to the conversation. “VADA tested both fighters many times leading up to their rematch and post-fight. Mr. Alvarez remains in VADA’s year-round testing program and subject to testing.

“Golovkin’s program ended September 15, 2018. The commission initially requested that we arrange to test both fighters again. Since many fighters travel after an event, and as Golovkin was no longer in VADA we confirmed his whereabouts. However, soon after the confirmation, the commission changed their decision.”

The decision as well as Goodman’s take were both subsequently confirmed by Golovkin’s side while offering its best efforts to walk back such comments.

“It was not VADA that cancelled the test, apparently it was the Commission,” Loeffler confirmed to BoxingInsider.com via text. “I didn’t mean to disparage VADA in any way; I’m a firm believer in what they do and that they are the best testing we have to try to prevent any banned substance use. Their testing is what showed the two positive tests for Canelo for Clenbuterol and that wouldn’t have shown up had we not started early testing with VADA.

“They cancelled the test for GGG, not sure what they did with Canelo, I just figured both were cancelled, but that information would have to come from VADA or the commission. We have insisted on VADA testing for all of the GGG fights as well as (former World heavyweight champion Wladimir) Klitschko fights in Europe and Moscow, so we believe in their testing program being effective and complimenting the WBC clean boxing program.”



材料2:VADA 9月16日在fb的公告:Thank you to Team VADA, the incredible individuals who work tirelessly. Congratulations for the testing we did last night at LV’s T-Mobile Arena.



材料3:VADA 11月21日在fb的公告:Recent tweets and articles quoting Tom Loeffler, promoter of Gennady Golovkin are incorrect. VADA tested Mr. Golovkin and Mr. Saul “Canelo” Alvarez many times leading up to their September 15, 2018 bout and post-fight. Mr. Alvarez remains in VADA’s year-round testing program and subject to testing. Mr. Golovkin’s program ended September 15th. The Nevada commission initially requested to test both fighters again. Since many fighters travel extensively after an event and Mr. Golovkin was no longer in VADA, we confirmed his whereabouts. However soon after that confirmation, the commission changed their decision.



材料4:VADA官网阿瓦的页面:http://vada-testing.org/saul-canelo-alvarez/  VADA welcomed Saul “Canelo” Alvarez to our year-round program May 15, 2018. He is subject to testing through May 15, 2019.



材料5:VADA官网已经下架的水货鸡的页面:http://vada-testing.org/gennady-golovkin/    在谷歌搜索”vada golovkin“,第一个结果就是这个页面,用谷歌缓存点进去看,证明这个页面本来是存在的,现在被VADA拿掉了,页面显示”No Results Found“。至于为什么会被VADA拿掉——应该不是被黑客攻击的吧? d2.gif



以上材料得出结论(非常欢迎水货鸡密来逐条反驳,因为本来就是互相讨论):

0、事情的起因,洛菲勒发推特,说VADA计划在比赛后一周对两人进行一次随机药检,结果取消了。(在洛菲勒心中,VADA的随机药检是提前通知的:兄弟们,我下周要来随机药检了,你们做好准备)



1、实际上,两个人赛前都通过了多次VADA药检(见材料1:VADA tested both fighters many times leading up to their rematch),比赛一结束,两个人当晚又做了一次VADA赛后药检(见材料1:post-fight;材料2:Congratulations for the testing we did last night at LV’s T-Mobile Arena)全部通过。这符合桑切兹说的“阿瓦通过了12~14次药检,没问题”


2、水货鸡的VADA检测项目比赛当天就到期了(见材料1:Golovkin’s program ended September 15, 2018;Golovkin was no longer in VADA。见材料3:Mr. Golovkin was no longer in VADA。见材料5:VADA网站水货鸡的页面已经被清空,对水货鸡来说,他在915当晚药检之后,已经不需要再做任何VADA随机药检,而阿瓦和VADA的合同到明年五月(见材料4:He is subject to testing through May 15, 2019),因此直到明年五月,VADA随时随地对阿瓦进行药检。比赛当晚药检结束后,NSAC请VADA今后再做一次额外药检(见材料1:The commission initially requested that we arrange to test both fighters again.),主要针对水货鸡,因为水货鸡不用随机药检,而阿瓦在随机药检项目里,本来就需要一直药检。谁知水货鸡已经不在VADA因此不用报备行踪(见材料3:Mr. Golovkin was no longer in VADA, we confirmed his whereabouts),而且他和其他一些拳手一样,赛后不知道跑哪里去了,等VADA花时间搞清楚水货鸡在哪里,NSAC改变了主意。



3、洛菲勒随后回应:确实不是VADA取消的,是NSAC取消的。水货鸡的这次药检被取消了,我不知道阿瓦的有没有取消,我只是估计两个人都取消了(见材料1:They cancelled the test for GGG, not sure what they did with Canelo, I just figured both were cancelled),不过消息以VADA或者NSAC为准。



于是,事情过去两个月后,洛菲勒在推特哭诉,有一次随机药检被VADA取消了,使人造成错觉:

1、似乎二战结束后两个人从来没药检过

2、阿瓦虽然在VADA全年随机药检里,但VADA可以随便取消药检

3、水货鸡依然在VADA随机药检里(实际上已经到期)



不过对水货鸡密来说,即使亲自给阿瓦做药检,做出来没问题,水货鸡密也会依旧活在自己的世界里,所以VADA和洛菲勒的最新表态并不那么重要



附:VADA随机药检和CBP是什么关系?

VADA随机药检远比CBP严格。

VADA随机药检主要包括全年药检、赛前药检。全年药检就是你今年不打比赛也要接受随时随地药检,赛前药检是双方签了比赛合同,再加一个VADA随机药检,一般检到比赛结束。

CBP是WBC苏莱曼搞出来的东西,委托VADA帮助WBC进行药检,最主要就是收药检的检测费。试想,WBC号称17个级别的所有拳王和排名前15的拳手都要加入CBP。假设拳王和排名前15的拳手不空缺,那么至少有270多人参加这个CBP,这笔钱不少了。那么CBP的检测频率是怎么样的?是不是像VADA随机药检那样频繁?CBP的最新药检报告如下:

https://wbcboxing.com/en/clean-boxing-program-report-october-1st-to-november-20/

50天的时间里,CBP检了28次(近似于28人)。那么按照这个频率,全年CBP大约检测不到210次,每个拳手每年连平均一次都检测不到,纯粹是捣糨糊。

再看一下11月检了些谁?包括小门罗(12月比赛)、巴恩斯(12月比赛)格沃兹达克(12月比赛)、阿瓦 菲尔丁(12月比赛)、富里 维尔德(维尔德一直是WBC拳王,但他12月才比赛,所以CBP宣布维尔德10月8日开始CBP检测)

综上,CBP的问题是:1、检测次数少的可怜,几乎是象征性 2、基本上就是两个拳手签了比赛合同,才在赛前来检测检测

阿瓦现在在VADA全年检测+CBP里。水货鸡不在VADA随机检测里,应该在CBP里。还用多说什么吗?
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2023-10-22 07:20:09 显示全部楼层
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哦,原来是这么回事儿啊
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2023-10-22 07:21:06 显示全部楼层
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就像你说的认为阿瓦吃药的你让他亲自去药检即使数据看不懂,他也认为阿瓦吃药,多说无益。 d1.gif
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2023-10-22 07:22:06 显示全部楼层
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有人认为3G是好的,不好的是洛夫勒和桑切斯。我的看法相反,洛推广3G做得非常好,而桑给3G提供了最好的训练环境,挑选最安全的拳手,给予最合理的建议,同时冒着被人嫌弃的风险,一直站在3G的立场上炒作3G.。
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2023-10-22 07:22:59 显示全部楼层
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鸡迷活在自己的世界里,问题就在这里。鸡有没有打过高手不重要,我认为他是战神他就是战神;阿瓦二战有没有嗑药的证据不重要,我认为他场上表现像嗑药了那他就是嗑药了。 d1.gif
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2023-10-22 07:23:22 显示全部楼层
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这改变不了阿瓦跟3g两次大战一平一胜的战绩。
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2023-10-22 07:24:00 显示全部楼层
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3G的光芒在于全胜和连续KO对手,尽管对手都是些阿达玛,韦德,马提这类拳手。3G一旦输了,身价立马下来。洛和桑深知这一点,很机智的回避了沃德和弗朗切,制造了似是而非的借口。

我不喜欢3G,觉得他有点虚伪,但也不很讨厌他。
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2023-10-22 07:24:07 显示全部楼层
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3G最大的特点就是力气大,其他就很普通。G迷觉得他技术精湛,那是因为对手弱,他可以随意表演发挥而已。你和臭棋篓子下,一会儿抽车将,一会儿闷宫将,不是你棋好,是对手臭,碰到高手,这种将法一个也没有了。
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